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Mar1001-15-2006, 02:53 PMWhat about V6 engine (3.0) and supra-turbo management (3.0turbo ECU + wiring + injectors, AFM, throttle-body, ignition system and other...) hybrid?

Would it be a good and some of kind cheap/reliable turbo set-up for v6 engine(3vzfe)? What about cam's control? Maybe adj. cam-gears?

Also it could be good with stock ct26? As for boost, it could give enougth (as for ECU too) for un-opened 3vz..

P.S. first post here! :p Weasy2k01-15-2006, 03:18 PMWelcome to the forum!

The V6 and I6 engines are very differnt in how they flow and operate, the ecus are tuned that way and i would highly doubt that you can slap a supra ecu (with a p[iggyback) to a regular vz/mz series v6 and get it to work right. After all the time you would spend doing so you could just utilize the stock ecu and a piggyback to work for less money. Or just a EMS.

Anything nowadays that has 2jz on it is increased about 100% over everything else just becuase its the 2jz.... Node01-15-2006, 04:32 PMWe have disscussed this possibility at the shop and there may be something to it. In therory, the ignition pulses on the 60* V6 could possibly be in exactly the same * crank rotation. I have also thought about useing an AEM 2JZ EMS and moving the ignition and injection timings around.

OH, and welcome. Toysrme01-15-2006, 07:49 PMNo dude... Node01-15-2006, 08:07 PMNo to the 2JZ EMS?? Why, It has VR pickups just like the 5VZ-FE and it has coil packs too. All you would need to do with the base 2JZ map is move the ignition crank angle * per cyl to the correct spot and add just a hair of fuel and you have a base map for a 5VZ. Its a good starting point IMHO. Granted you have to double check that you have wired up the correct firing order (duhh) but you could modify a 2JZ EMS to run a 5vz fairly easily (the ignitor is even compatible too) . As for stock toyota ECU I think that everyone who is considering this engine should think about a FULL EMS. When you are putting this much money into an engine, why screw around, do it right. True, I have been messing around with stock engine controls and WAY lean mixes, but I have SPARE engines and a full shop. Using a 7M or 2JZ ecu was just an interesting idea we were throwing around/wondering if the ECU would make nice with a 3VZ distributor LOL. From what I understand the 7M ECU bases its cyl firings TOTALY on the distributor, So if the individual cyl TDC pulses were being fed from a 3VZ distro, its possible that it could work. I doubt that the OBDI ecu would even throw a code LOL Weasy2k01-15-2006, 08:27 PMSo much complication tho that is my problem with it, you can get your engine running like 10x better with a standalone or the stock ecu vs anything else. Those maps on the stock ecu are designed for everything but by using a standalone you can tune it to your drivability.
of course then yuo can argue that you can hook up a piggyback to the supra ecu....but htne your spending so much money for that PLUS time is money now so how much time in making this all work.
If you got the time then go for it :) Toysrme01-15-2006, 11:21 PMNo kidding. You can run more fuel through the stock 3vz-fe's OBD-I computer than the 2jz's can for real cheap. It also cares nothing about throwing the majority of it's trouble codes.
And you will have to rip every single sensor off the engine.


They all read backwards, like the old 5m-ge hardware did. Weasy2k01-15-2006, 11:38 PMjust throw a piggyback on there and your good to go... Mar1001-16-2006, 08:05 AMOk.. thanks guys! Now need to sorce a european 3vz ECU + wiring and everything.. ;) :D Will be N/A for now, as it was ;) Toysrme01-16-2006, 01:44 PMEuropean?
Have fun LoL! I think most of Europe had the 3vz-fe longer than North America tho. Hey! You could grab one of those high rpm 4vz-fe, or 2mz-fe's! They're probably weak onder boost, but you'd have a screamer LoL!

Or just like... Buy cams from Weasy. :D Mar1001-17-2006, 11:20 AMThat would be fun... especially in my mk1 :D Actually i'm planing to stay N/A with MR2, but can't decide what engine to choose. My first plan was to use a rev.1 3SGTE, but after one winter with GT4 st165, I've decided to sell that prepared engine,add money and buy GT4 Carlos Sains edition with 3SGTE in it as stock, better mapped ECU, w/a i/c + 4wd fun with LSD. :D So my MR2 is waiting for a new bigger replacement for 1year now and I'm continuing to hard-brain. :(
My choises:
1. 4AGE 20v/4AGTE - fun, but not worth it. Leave it to corollas.
2. 3SGE/3SGTE - have one 3SGTE in superior place to be - GT4cs..
3. VZ/MZ/GR - want to stay N/A, save weight and hear sexy engine sound. But I've found only one perfect JDM 3VZFE, no MZ for good money/condition... GR-only to dream about it (here, where I am), and it's just too new.
4. v8 - that would be overload..
5. Other makes engines - just wrong.

I couldn't find any good info about 4vz(maybe it's 2vz?) or 2mz.. Could you provide me some?
Besides, thank you for all your postings in ***** and here, your educational work is awesome! :D
By the way.. what would be the best hybrid from all toyota v6'ers to have best perfoming,reliable, lightweight engine in N/A form?

Thank you!

P.S. some pics of my cars.. if it's interesting. ;)
MR2 XXproject
http://public.fotki.com/Mar10LT/mar10_automotive/mr1.html
http://public.fotki.com/Mar10LT/mar10_automotive/mr2.html
http://public.fotki.com/Mar10LT/mar10_automotive/mr3.html
GT4 CSedition
http://public.fotki.com/Mar10LT/mar10_automotive/gt1.html
http://public.fotki.com/Mar10LT/mar10_automotive/gt2.html
http://public.fotki.com/Mar10LT/mar10_automotive/gt3.html Toysrme01-17-2006, 06:18 PMYa if you wanna stay N/A, grab a v6. A lot of the little work needs to be custom, but on the other hand, to get the same power out of the i4's N/A as roughly what the v6's put out stock, or near stock - they have to have the same kinda mods that really help the v6's too!

The 2/4's are 2.5L v6's. Less power & powerband, but i4 rpm ranges stock. IDK much of anything about them.

That's a sick mr2 LoL! When I said it - it means something! Mar1001-18-2006, 06:59 AMThank you for kind words! ;) I love my mr2 so much as I like & respect my gt4cs, so can't force myself to sell one of them. = Third car to buy.. :( Always wanted old-school MB G-wagen, military one with some customisations.. ;) :D
I think 3VZ will be on the way.. after reading your opinion on 3vz up-sides and driving 3.2v6 four-eyed Mercedes, I must to agree that mid-range powerband is fun.. and no too dangerous screamer driving as it was with 1.6 AGE. :D

Thank you again! Weasy2k01-18-2006, 12:30 PM1.6L at 10k rpm would be godly :) Toysrme01-18-2006, 01:27 PMA 3.4L @ 10k would be ungodly too! Put some 302* cams in your 5vz-fe weasy LoL! Come oooon! You KNOW you wanna see if that crankshaft & the stock rods & connecting hardware can do it!
hahahahahahahaha

No really! I'd love to hear the answer to that question, "Can a stock bottom end 5vz-fe, w' an upgraded oil pump, spin atleast 9,000rpm before funny sounds that are not so funny happen!"?

:rofl:


Mar10, just be sure you do a compression test when you get it to see if the head gaskets & rings are in good shape.(It has to be warmed up to get good compression, so install it, or get it on a stand!) Normal is 178psi, minimum is 140psi. I say if you're 165psi+ on everything, you're golden for whatever you wanna do. 150's I'd be ehhhh to boost. Weasy2k01-18-2006, 05:39 PMWho says its not going to happen, however NOT on a stock bottom end :)

I already have 306's designed on paper and waiting for cores :P

Just in time.... mr2greasemonkey01-19-2006, 01:49 AMYou ever wonder about where the redline on the stock 5v starts and ends?.......................hmmm.....interesting. hehe. Weasy2k01-19-2006, 02:42 AMhhehe i really want to try to see where the stock valves will go but i dont want to dmaage my engine...new springs are on order thwam01-19-2006, 02:45 AMHaha. A 9-10,000RPM 5VZ would be nasty! I might actually pay money just to hear what it sounds like! =) What kind of idle are you expecting to get out of those 306's?

BTW How's the idle on your new cams now?

Todd Weasy2k01-19-2006, 12:34 PMYea its something im working closly with several manufactures on :) (CP, Fidenza to name a couple)
Its going to cost ALOT but its gonna be my "show off" engine, anyone can make a engine powerful with a turbo but N/A.,....oh god yes...
it will be a fairly rough idle but the standalone i got can correct for large cams :) Gonna be tough gettign a proper map reading.

THe idle is fine nothing different then stock. The exhaust note is cool as you can here it burble a bit. Toysrme01-19-2006, 03:13 PMHey!!! There's no such thing about a bad idle... Just an idle that isn't fast enough! :lol: :rofl: Weasy2k01-19-2006, 03:19 PMHey!!! There's no such thing about a bad idle... Just an idle that isn't fast enough! :lol: :rofl:

simply put Toysrme01-19-2006, 03:51 PMDon't doubt you couldn' build a 9-10K Toyota v6. In my custom cam catolog, there are numorous v6's over 9000rpm, and atleast a dozen i4's & that's the little book of obscure engines! Not hella popular ones LoL! Mar1001-20-2006, 12:10 PMI think that would be very fun engine, but not the best, looking from practical side.. So high RPM engines must have some kind of variable valve timing system, othewise they will be too dumb on the low-rpm range :(
Toyota power = forced induction :devil: or big displacement ;) or both :burnout:
For example, 4AGE, 3SGE, 2ZZ sadly are not that fast as they are fun.. :tear:
P.S. still want to find 4AGE 20v blacktop.. but chances are about 1% for me :nopity:

unless... big displacement (ok for VZFE), forced induction(not a problem for VZFE), high-rev cams (ok?) = awa uawa!!! :lol: Weasy2k01-21-2006, 03:36 PMits goign to happen :) Got a couple companys on board looking at pricing for pistons and rods

unfortunatly i need a 5-10k investment if they are going to give me any price break....@$)( Mar1001-22-2006, 09:17 AMbe carefull!
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