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Justin31112-01-2005, 03:26 PMJohn Reed (my tuner) told me this was possible...but I haven't cornered him on how to do it yet. One AEM owner mentioned that the AEM is configured to run VTEC cars as well, and the AEM actually uses a dual IGN and Fuel map to accomplish this....you simply specify the crossover point of the cam so that it looks at a new table.

He hypothesized that you could direct the AEM to switch which IGN and fuel maps it is reading from via a toggle switch. I would like to do this so I can have a pump and race gas map both loaded, and switch w/o hooking up my laptop, doing the "turn it off turn it on" routine, etc.

Additionally, later one (and this is a big maybe) I would like to run a dual fuel system. I am possibly going to source a dual tank electronic switching valve from a dual tank 1 ton truck, and wire up (2) inline fuel pumps, one to run race from cel in the trunk and one to run pump from the normal fuel tank.

Finally, I want to wire this switch so that all I touch is one switch and effectively add 100 hp :-D

But first things first...dual map setup help anyone?? Weasy2k12-01-2005, 09:23 PMGeneraly the way this is done is by taking a MAP SWITCH output from the standalone unit and its hooked up to a switch, the other end of the switch is wired to a ground anywhere.

Now when the switch is off aka no ground is present the map stays on A and when switched on the ground is present the map switchs to B.

This is how all the standalones/piggybacks that i have setup were done. AEM is one of the only i havent worked with yet. Justin31112-08-2005, 02:00 PMHmm. Good to know. I hope we get some AEM experts in here soon.... ;) Weasy2k12-09-2005, 01:59 AMOne day....AEM is something that is getting older...they gotta pick it up or else they will fall behind...Power FC is starting to do the same...Hydra Nemisis is really taking alot of the market for mr2s now :) A great product!

CHeck it out in your book...if you need more help im sure i can find out more for you Justin31112-09-2005, 04:18 PMOne day....AEM is something that is getting older...they gotta pick it up or else they will fall behind...Power FC is starting to do the same...Hydra Nemisis is really taking alot of the market for mr2s now :) A great product!

CHeck it out in your book...if you need more help im sure i can find out more for you

I would heartily disagree ;) If you are on mr2oc check the debate between Reed and Ricky. I would say Ricky had to admit defeat towards the end there... :-O

In addition, I have had the opputunity to drive a number of Nemesis and AEM controlled cars, all very skillfully tuned. The AEM has always taken driveability hands down. It is all over my head as to why, but the enrichment tables as well as boost compensation are always key factors that are brought up.

From what I have seen AEM is constantly upgrading their software and advancing...really good traction control seems to be on the forefront. turbonatormr212-09-2005, 04:43 PMJohn Reed (my tuner) told me this was possible...but I haven't cornered him on how to do it yet. One AEM owner mentioned that the AEM is configured to run VTEC cars as well, and the AEM actually uses a dual IGN and Fuel map to accomplish this....you simply specify the crossover point of the cam so that it looks at a new table.

He hypothesized that you could direct the AEM to switch which IGN and fuel maps it is reading from via a toggle switch. I would like to do this so I can have a pump and race gas map both loaded, and switch w/o hooking up my laptop, doing the "turn it off turn it on" routine, etc.

Additionally, later one (and this is a big maybe) I would like to run a dual fuel system. I am possibly going to source a dual tank electronic switching valve from a dual tank 1 ton truck, and wire up (2) inline fuel pumps, one to run race from cel in the trunk and one to run pump from the normal fuel tank.

Finally, I want to wire this switch so that all I touch is one switch and

effectively add 100 hp :-D

But first things first...dual map setup help anyone??

The Hydra Nemesis has a switch on it where you can go from pump gas to race gas and it's cheaper than the AEM. Weasy2k12-09-2005, 04:45 PMI would heartily disagree ;) If you are on mr2oc check the debate between Reed and Ricky. I would say Ricky had to admit defeat towards the end there... :-O

In addition, I have had the opputunity to drive a number of Nemesis and AEM controlled cars, all very skillfully tuned. The AEM has always taken driveability hands down. It is all over my head as to why, but the enrichment tables as well as boost compensation are always key factors that are brought up.

From what I have seen AEM is constantly upgrading their software and advancing...really good traction control seems to be on the forefront.

Its the bang for your buck kind of difference i see in things...compair the AEM to the Hydra and AEM is way overpriced....not saying it sucks at all but wouldnt be my personal top choice.

Plug and play rocks too for the DIY guy :D Both hydra and AEM have it...my unit wont....for now... Justin31112-09-2005, 11:17 PMThe Hydra Nemesis has a switch on it where you can go from pump gas to race gas and it's cheaper than the AEM.

LMAO....I can't beleive you still reply to threads with authority when you haven't the slightest clue about tuning or your car. Its the same as it was on the oc board that you got banned from for this crap.

FYI: the AEM has the switch too, you just have to turn it on. Hence the post. Please don't reply to my threads...I think you would be hard pressed to find the fuel map in your software, based on your response of a "race gas and pump gas switch" LMAO....

PS my AEM was $1100 with shipping, MAP sensor, IAT sensor, and GM boost selenoid. Eat it ;) Justin31112-09-2005, 11:18 PMIts the bang for your buck kind of difference i see in things...compair the AEM to the Hydra and AEM is way overpriced....not saying it sucks at all but wouldnt be my personal top choice.

Plug and play rocks too for the DIY guy :D Both hydra and AEM have it...my unit wont....for now...

Yes I agree, as well as the neck of the woods you are in and what your tuner prefers. The AEM *list* price is high, but if you have friends and/or do a little research, it can actually be had cheaper than the nemesis ;) Weasy2k12-10-2005, 03:34 AMLMAO....I can't beleive you still reply to threads with authority when you haven't the slightest clue about tuning or your car. Its the same as it was on the oc board that you got banned from for this crap.

FYI: the AEM has the switch too, you just have to turn it on. Hence the post. Please don't reply to my threads...I think you would be hard pressed to find the fuel map in your software, based on your response of a "race gas and pump gas switch" LMAO....

PS my AEM was $1100 with shipping, MAP sensor, IAT sensor, and GM boost selenoid. Eat it ;)

Take it easy man...dont jump on someone to quickly :) We are all here to learn and help, with that kind of attitude you can be quickly disliked....

many people here have been banned from OC for reasons of there own :)

Not trying to slam you or support him just keeping the peace here, no more break outs here...keep that for the pride section :P :rofl: :rofl: Weasy2k12-10-2005, 03:37 AMYes I agree, as well as the neck of the woods you are in and what your tuner prefers. The AEM *list* price is high, but if you have friends and/or do a little research, it can actually be had cheaper than the nemesis ;)

I gotta do some research of my own as well! I havent really kept up with the competition for a while now gotta shoot myself in the foot for that one as im supposed to be selling some standalones soon as well :ugh:
After looking at the aem website and some more reviews its looking like they are infact doing alot better then before.

1100usd for a AEM is a pritty damn good deal! If eveyrone can do that iw ould be happy but to have to dig real deep still keeps the AEM uptop of the price list...lookin good tho...

Keep up to date on your progress with the unit! turbonatormr212-10-2005, 11:49 AMLMAO....I can't beleive you still reply to threads with authority when you haven't the slightest clue about tuning or your car. Its the same as it was on the oc board that you got banned from for this crap.

FYI: the AEM has the switch too, you just have to turn it on. Hence the post. Please don't reply to my threads...I think you would be hard pressed to find the fuel map in your software, based on your response of a "race gas and pump gas switch" LMAO....

PS my AEM was $1100 with shipping, MAP sensor, IAT sensor, and GM boost selenoid. Eat it ;)

Lol..:lol: I think that you are still upset about the schooling.... For your information I got banned because I asked to be banned, I did not want to be part of that shitty board. By the way why are you at this board. You come here and act like you are a genius or something. All of a sudden you are an expert.(he,he). You are the guy who make s hoses or something like that. All of sudden now you are a tunning expert.(:rofl: )Also you might of got the Aem system for that price but it probably a used one. The nemesis is much cheaper and you get outstanding customer service. Try calling Aem for tech info and see how long it takes for some one to get back to you. :lol: Over all the Nemesis is better than the Aem.
Also I can respond to any thread on this board, that's what so great about this board. Your not on mr2oc any more... :shakeyes:

Price + quality+ customer service= Nemesis (Can't be beat) Weasy2k12-10-2005, 01:35 PMLol..:lol: I think that you are still upset about the schooling.... For your information I got banned because I asked to be banned, I did not want to be part of that shitty board. By the way why are you at this board. You come here and act like you are a genius or something. All of a sudden you are an expert.(he,he). You are the guy who make s hoses or something like that. All of sudden now you are a tunning expert.(:rofl: )Also you might of got the Aem system for that price but it probably a used one. The nemesis is much cheaper and you get outstanding customer service. Try calling Aem for tech info and see how long it takes for some one to get back to you. :lol: Over all the Nemesis is better than the Aem.
Also I can respond to any thread on this board, that's what so great about this board. Your not on mr2oc any more... :shakeyes:

Price + quality+ customer service= Nemesis (Can't be beat)

Did you read what i wrote to Justin311 or just completly ignor it?
Be respect full if you want ot have a flame war go somewhere like the pride section hehe I dont care what happens there but this area is where tech info is discussed + keeping it ontopic (i was guilty for taking it off whoops :P )

A thread can be started on what unit is better but this is to discuss the switching maps of a AEM unit which i think was figured out Justin311? Justin31112-10-2005, 02:00 PMDon't worry abotu him Weasy. He used to follow me around the oc board and attempt to "school me on tunn-ing" as he puts it....it was rather amusing at first but then got so bad he got banned from there. I am rather tired of the attitude on the oc board (parallels his on here) so I have deicded to come hang out on my buddy Nocturnal's board ;)

I would love if there were some mods on here to clean up things that get so off topic...but yes I have my questions answered as far as the route to go to switch maps with a toggle. I will post when I get to it...for now I gotta go spend some time in the garage building my stroker :) Weasy2k12-10-2005, 03:43 PMIts not to worry just dont want it to get out of hand to the point where I have to do something about it ;) And yes things will be cleaned up if need be esspecialy if the thread is a good informative one.

I have looked more into the switching of the maps for aem and some people say yes others say no and that you have to be online to change it (which is dumb as even the lower cost ones have this abiity) turbonatormr212-10-2005, 05:00 PMDid you read what i wrote to Justin311 or just completly ignor it?
Be respect full if you want ot have a flame war go somewhere like the pride section hehe I dont care what happens there but this area is where tech info is discussed + keeping it ontopic (i was guilty for taking it off whoops :P )

A thread can be started on what unit is better but this is to discuss the switching maps of a AEM unit which i think was figured out Justin311?


Ok! no problem, but to get respect you have to give it. I have no flame with him he's just jealous becasue I have a stroker allready and makes allot of power on 91 octane.
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Ok now on with the topic.....:shakeyes: RickyB12-13-2005, 10:19 PMI would heartily disagree ;) If you are on mr2oc check the debate between Reed and Ricky. I would say Ricky had to admit defeat towards the end there... :-O

Do check it out: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=141545

All I see is an informed debate between two people who tune cars for a living mutually deciding to take their debate offline. No one "won" or "lost."


In addition, I have had the opportunity to drive a number of Nemesis and AEM controlled cars, all very skillfully tuned. The AEM has always taken driveability hands down. It is all over my head as to why, but the enrichment tables as well as boost compensation are always key factors that are brought up.

It is over your head but when has that prevented you from making comments?


From what I have seen AEM is constantly upgrading their software and advancing...really good traction control seems to be on the forefront.
On the forefront of what? Do you know the strategy that AEM uses for traction control? Do you know the strategies that OEM traction control systems use? If so, care to comment on why AEM's strategy merits the "really good" label?

I am factory certified on both of these systems and have tuned many cars using both of these units. They are both quite acceptable units and handle a wide range of vehicles. They share thousands of common capabilities and each have several unique ones. I have my own list of things that I like and dislike about each of them. None of these are going to make any difference to the average EMS customer. If you are faced with making a choice, consider first who is going to tune the car and what they are most comfortable with, who is going to support the unit and what their track record is and finally how much it is going to cost you to get to the point where your car is running properly and safely on the unit you purchase. turbonatormr212-13-2005, 11:13 PMDo check it out: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=141545

All I see is an informed debate between two people who tune cars for a living mutually deciding to take their debate offline. No one "won" or "lost."

It is over your head but when has that prevented you from making comments?

On the forefront of what? Do you know the strategy that AEM uses for traction control? Do you know the strategies that OEM traction control systems use? If so, care to comment on why AEM's strategy merits the "really good" label?

I am factory certified on both of these systems and have tuned many cars using both of these units. They are both quite acceptable units and handle a wide range of vehicles. They share thousands of common capabilities and each have several unique ones. I have my own list of things that I like and dislike about each of them. None of these are going to make any difference to the average EMS customer. If you are faced with making a choice, consider first who is going to tune the car and what they are most comfortable with, who is going to support the unit and what their track record is and finally how much it is going to cost you to get to the point where your car is running properly and safely on the unit you purchase.

Great post by one of the best tuners there is. Cant get any better than Ricky-B. I know my car is tunned to perfection and the Nemesis (imo) is the best EMS for the Mr2. I highly recomend it to anybody that wants to get one. Weasy2k12-14-2005, 12:23 PMDo check it out: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=141545

All I see is an informed debate between two people who tune cars for a living mutually deciding to take their debate offline. No one "won" or "lost."

It is over your head but when has that prevented you from making comments?

On the forefront of what? Do you know the strategy that AEM uses for traction control? Do you know the strategies that OEM traction control systems use? If so, care to comment on why AEM's strategy merits the "really good" label?

I am factory certified on both of these systems and have tuned many cars using both of these units. They are both quite acceptable units and handle a wide range of vehicles. They share thousands of common capabilities and each have several unique ones. I have my own list of things that I like and dislike about each of them. None of these are going to make any difference to the average EMS customer. If you are faced with making a choice, consider first who is going to tune the car and what they are most comfortable with, who is going to support the unit and what their track record is and finally how much it is going to cost you to get to the point where your car is running properly and safely on the unit you purchase.

Thanks for the input rickyb Tyler12-14-2005, 12:30 PMGreat post by one of the best tuners there is. Cant get any better than Ricky-B. I know my car is tunned to perfection and the Nemesis (imo) is the best EMS for the Mr2. I highly recomend it to anybody that wants to get one.
:loser: :rolleyes: someones a suck up*slurp slurp* turbonatormr212-14-2005, 01:16 PM:loser: :rolleyes: someones a suck up*slurp slurp*

Whatever!!! Cry baby:tear: Tyler12-14-2005, 01:49 PMhow is that being a cry baby, now your just being an ******* turbonatormr212-14-2005, 01:53 PMhow is that being a cry baby, now your just being an *******

Ok! I am not here to flame with you or anybody else. This is going way off topic. If you want to flame e-mail me and we can go form there. Othe ways please stay on topic. :tear:

tazzman169@comcas.net Weasy2k12-14-2005, 02:00 PMalright guys its enough :) Justin31112-19-2005, 09:40 PMDo check it out: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=141545

All I see is an informed debate between two people who tune cars for a living mutually deciding to take their debate offline. No one "won" or "lost."

It is over your head but when has that prevented you from making comments?

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LMAO. Nice of you to come sign up to a new message board and make your only post to argue with me. Are you and turbonator still dating??

Perhaps you should reread the argument. At the end you concede that AEMs software is superior, because they have "had over 20 more years to work on the software than Hydra has"

The difference between you and I, Ricky, is that I am willing to admit when something is over my head. Your head has expanded at such a rate that things will likely have to start going over it....not much room around it :omg: :rofl: turbonatormr212-20-2005, 12:46 AM[QUOTE=Justin311]LMAO. Nice of you to come sign up to a new message board and make your only post to argue with me. Are you and turbonator still dating??

Seems like you are jealous. :twitch: Dont worry I have something for you to date. :slap: Weasy2k12-20-2005, 05:10 AMok guys i tried to keep this thing sane:
http://www.mr2board.com/forums/site-announcements-questions-comments/2908-just-reminder.html
its a good read...

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