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doggyDCW12-16-2006, 05:48 PMI know what few companies produced them - and i do know what one SSIII Owner in Cyprus got a header from Japan from company i think called Pheonix Power or somthing like this... I know what few of you RedTop owner are located in Japan or somthere near Japan (or maybe you have access to the parts) and if some one would be wiling to help me - i would really really apreciate what.

Cuz shipping to EU from Japan would kill not only mentioning Customs fee's + VAT...

Or atleast some one could point me to the right direction where to look for a header - it would be a huge help.

Thanks guys. puretone12-17-2006, 04:55 AM5SFE header should fit....the bolts/ports all are in the same place, i eyeballed it in the passed and they look 100% the same, just that the 5SFE had heavy cast iron unit while newer 3SGE/5SFE all had nice 4-2-1 bits....
BTW 3SFE would work as well....

I have a precise drawing of the exhaust flage so you could potentially make your own header from some sick 316 stainless steel like i have in the past for my turbo project....in fact im thinking of doing it again.... PHOENIX12-17-2006, 08:07 AMum, i don't think they do fit.

If the 5sfe header will fit on a beams, that means the 3SGTE header from a 91 - 93 will fit the Beams, and our problems for a Turbo Header for our engines are over. From all the research that everyone has done, I think we all came to the conclusion that the bolt patterns are off. doggyDCW12-17-2006, 12:06 PMI dont even think 5SFE header would work on the beams... Cuz 5SFE will produce less of the gas flow when the 3SGE will - and this might be Downgrade not Upgrade going with the 5S or even 3SFE header... I would not go with the 3SGE header either - cuz still these engines are different - not to mention gas flow and etc..

The only way would be just find and buy Phoenixs power header... WFX12-17-2006, 04:58 PMThe only way would be just find and buy Phoenixs power header...

See thats the trick isnt finding and buying one! haha Someone must sell them on their online shop surely or atleast have access to buy them! PHOENIX12-17-2006, 06:16 PMyeah, i have no idea where you can purchase an aftermarket header for the beams brand new.

but if you find a place, let us all know, we might have to get a group buy going or something. doggyDCW12-18-2006, 12:22 AMhttp://www.phoenixs.co.jp/bigsite/parts/parts_sw20_inextb.html

If some one can read Japanese - here is the site... Roman12-18-2006, 02:13 AMgoogle translated version of page (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phoenixs.co.jp%2Fbigs ite%2Fparts%2Fparts_sw20_inextb.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)



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:lol: Breed-X12-18-2006, 06:53 AMthe 5S-FE headers WON'T work on the beams

the 5S-FE headers will only work on rev1 and rev2 3S-GE equipped MR2's.

even on the rev3 onwards the 5S-FE will not work


there are quite a few headers available for the beams.
phoenix and toms are the first to spring to mind WFX12-18-2006, 09:35 AMI know HKS do a header but I'm pretty sure its for the Gen3 3SGE... does this fit our BEAMS I'm not sure anyone? mr220v12-18-2006, 11:04 AMI'm going to try fitting my 5sfe/2ndgen 3sge exhaust gasket up to my beams motor. This way i'll know for sure. puretone12-19-2006, 08:34 AM"rammer foot" HAHAHAHAHAHAH

hey the BEAMS exhaust gasket & 5SFE exhaust gaskets are all the same thing, which would mean they header flanges MUST be the same, so getting the newer gen 5SFE headers (those 4-2-1 deals) should do just fine....

i just verified this at the toyota dealer here where 5SFE camrys & celicas have the same part number as the 3SFE Rav4 and compared to the ST202/BEAMS model....just make sure you get the 4-2-1 header instead of the cast-iron log part that older gen OEMs come with.... mr220v12-19-2006, 10:08 AMOr I could get by with my 4-1 style header for a while, but thats good news. doggyDCW12-19-2006, 02:33 PMWhats the point of upgrading Beams header to a 5SFE header??? Whats the advantage?? 5SFE has a FE head design - witch has smaller valves, smaller intake / exhaust entrys / exits, smaller flow of gas / air - smaller amount of gasses coming out. Take a look at the stock 3SGE beams header - and i think its worth to be upgraded to somthing what was DESIGNED to get the better flow when the stock, and i dont think companys who design 5SFE header even know somthing about the beams motor... so this AS i said before i think would be a downgrade - not the upgrade... mr220v12-19-2006, 02:51 PMThe 4-1 type would be a downgrade. I'd only use that because I have one available, and it would only be temporary. There is a 4-2-1 type header now available for the 5sfe which would be a good match for the beams and would be an acceptable direct substitute. The elongated 4-1 header might not be too bad either.

The main advantage of being able to use 5sfe headers is that they are readily available. Most motors you'd buy don't come with a complete B-pipe. That, or most likely, the motor didn't come from an mr2 in the first place. So, when doing my conversion, i'll be able to simply buy a new header and bpipe set (or use what i have) instead of going down to the local exhaust shop and pulling down my pants and walking in backwards. Ordering a factory Toyota Bpipe for the rare beams jdm sw20 is nearly impossible. Its not even easy to get 2nd gen bpipes.

Being able to use compatible USDM parts can be a lifesaver when doing a fairly difficult JDM swap. Edophus12-19-2006, 04:55 PMhi guys, i wouldnt be surprised if they dont fit, if you look at earlier 3s heads the top studs of the manifold sit directly between the exhaust ports, but on the beams those same studs are offset. If the ports match up then maybe you could just drill new stud holes if there is enough metal, or weld some more metal in and drill that. WFX12-19-2006, 10:24 PMIve just been informed from a mate on the OZ Celica boards that the headers for a Gen3 and Gen4 are identical as well as the intake manifold for a Gen 3 will fit a Gen 4, can anyone confirm this?

Although the stock BEAMS header does look pretty funky has anyone got pics for say the TRD one or any others? Roman12-19-2006, 11:50 PMas well as the intake manifold for a Gen 3 will fit a Gen 4, can anyone confirm this?


I can confirm that this is *NOT* true.

The guy I bought my altezza intake manifold off wanted to run it on his gen 3 3SGE, and there was no practical way of making it fit.

Hmmm, I wonder if a gen 4 3SGTE manifold fits though.... Edophus12-20-2006, 05:12 PMHeres a photo of my manifold i found, if you look you will see what i mean about the top studs being offset, where as all other 3s seem to have them centred

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/3299/dscf0030yy1.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0030yy1.jpg)

would be nice to know if the ports are of the same size and placement as the 3sgte, as maybe having an aftermarket turbo manifold redrilled for those studs would be the easy answer for those wanting to go turbo.

Hopefully the rest of the studs match up:rofl: I will get round to measuring it eventually but its too cold to go where my 3sgte is sitting :lol: mr220v12-20-2006, 05:52 PMOne thing that jumps right out at me is that the 5s has two center studs, though one stud may still line up. Edophus12-24-2006, 02:57 PMgrabbed the exhaust manifold gasket from my gen2 3sgte today and compared it against the beams, there very different, the port spacing is different, there is a larger gap between the two middle ports on the gen2.

so basically anything that can use a gen2 3sgte manfiold, is not the same as a beams.

I'd like to try an st205 gasket next but i dont have one:undecided mr220v12-24-2006, 08:01 PMWell that settles that. Edophus12-25-2006, 05:37 AMWell we have still to try a gen3 header, or the later 5sfe's as i think they may have changed in 1995, i'm really not sure its hard to find clear answers on..

I did notice though on the beams gasket, that where there is only one stud at the bottom in the centre, the gasket pokes out of the bottom there like it was designed for another stud to be there, so there is a good chance it does share its design with another, we just need to find which one :lol:

oh and merry xmas! PHOENIX12-26-2006, 06:25 PMI will be heading down to toyota over the next few days......I might be able to pick up a gasket or 2 for comparison if you guys want to tell me which year and model to get for comparison.

This is something that ive wanted to do for a long time. mr220v12-31-2006, 04:26 PMgrabbed the exhaust manifold gasket from my gen2 3sgte today and compared it against the beams, there very different, the port spacing is different, there is a larger gap between the two middle ports on the gen2.

so basically anything that can use a gen2 3sgte manfiold, is not the same as a beams.

I'd like to try an st205 gasket next but i dont have one:undecided

Tried to put a 5sfe gasket on a beams head, and from the looks of it, there is absolutley no way that the 5s header will fit. The porting is different and the spacing is different, so no reasonable amount of modding will work. This also means no gen2 3sg(t)e manifold will fit.

So much for an easy beams exhaust alternative. Edophus12-31-2006, 04:41 PMyeah its dissapointing, i've been looking at gen 3 manifolds and it looks like there different aswell, the port spacing is wierd, the two ports at the cambelt end are closer together than the two at the other end of the engine, it isnt looking good:( mr220v12-31-2006, 06:03 PMNow how about the various B-pipes? Will any of the early gen b-pipes fit up the the beams header? You could go to the UK to get a gen2 or gen3 3sge bpipe. Beams B-pipes for the sw20 are not going to be easy to come by.

Fortunately its very rare that a motor you buy will come without an exhaust manifold. Of course if you buy an automatic beams, you'll be stuck with that catalytic-converter in manifold thing which is probably the reason for the power loss. Roman12-31-2006, 08:25 PMNope, the B pipe is different too.

The spacing of the pipes is wider apart, a the 2-1 section.

(This is compared to my old gen 2 3SGE exhaust) mr220v01-01-2007, 10:59 AMI have the Y part of the B-pipe, so getting a 3sgte pipe welded up to the beams Y is what i'll do.

Just thinking about people doing this swap later msumr28204-10-2007, 04:00 PMTop: Gen3 3S-GE Intake Bottom: 93 5S-FE Intake
Bottom line - neither will fit the BEAMS.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/617000-617999/617494_21_full.jpg

5S-FE Aftermarket Header - Very unlikely that it will fit the BEAMS. Not to mention that it would not be optimal at all. It also will not fit the Gen3 3S-GE.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/617000-617999/617494_27_full.jpg

TRD Altezza Header
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/617000-617999/617494_31_full.jpg

Gen3 3S-GE Exhaust Side - Possible fit to the BEAMS. The lower, inside-left stud appears to be extra on the Gen3 and not found on the BEAMS but that would not prohibit it from working. I can take exact measurements if useful. Does anyone have exact measurements for the BEAMS?
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/617000-617999/617494_35_full.jpg

- Joe MANDALAY04-11-2007, 08:16 AMHey guys just a stupid question , why dont you just buy it knew from toyota ?
mr2 dk gave the numbers for the vin mr2 beams, now my local toyota dealer can get every thing
BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT IS ON EBAY. EXAGGERATED PRICES.Saw the red top cam cover on ebay for> $400 usd. New toyota price is $80 usd. With the right numbers everything can be bought. msumr28204-11-2007, 08:48 AMGood point Mandalay but in the states, it is very difficult to source parts that were not available to the US market. The dealerships can't source the parts. Sometimes, if you have a very good connection, a dealership will have a partnership with one in Japan and then you can pull strings and find one. However Toyota really frowns on that and it is being cracked down on.

I tried everything to source a set of st215 caldina coils which you can see above and it was a pita. I ended up getting a great condition set used after a lot of searching. I've been trying to source a TRD header/extractor set and that has proved to be unfruitful. If you can get a set (even used) let me know :) Seems much easier in OZ. MANDALAY04-11-2007, 09:06 AMGenuine toyota parts no problem at all. If you have the details like the one l got for the mr2 beams l can ask toyota for you gladly. TRD is something else, need the exact numbers and them might be out of production or is it ? who knows until l try. The used part JDM business is ####shit. Toyota gen parts can be got even up to 20 years old. Got a gaurd for my 1986 corolla run about $120 BonzaiCelica09-04-2009, 01:53 AMhey guys, my brother has a 95 camry 5 speed 5sfe engine. He bought some obx header from ebay for $220 a year ago and they still make it. the obx header is 4-1 so while you will lose some mid range power and torque you will gain top end? (at least that is what i read.)

OBX Stainless Steel Header: 97-01 Toyota Camry 2.2L 4CYL ALL - Sparktec Motorsports (http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/h10090s.html) mr2mkii09-04-2009, 03:38 PMhey guys, my brother has a 95 camry 5 speed 5sfe engine. He bought some obx header from ebay for $220 a year ago and they still make it. the obx header is 4-1 so while you will lose some mid range power and torque you will gain top end? (at least that is what i read.)

OBX Stainless Steel Header: 97-01 Toyota Camry 2.2L 4CYL ALL - Sparktec Motorsports (http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/h10090s.html)

wrong section dude read a little bit it will not fit a beams engine, anyway port are WAY too small

by the way I still have an OEM beams redtop manifold for sale

http://mr2.zhutiblog.com/com/forums/beams/Toyota-MR2-44445-redtop-exhaust-manifold.html BonzaiCelica09-04-2009, 09:44 PMya the studs dont like up on the 3sge. Uhh, how is this the wrong section??

how much would it cost if someone where to replicate pheonix's header. What downpipe/front exhaust pipe do the members with pheonix header use, do they use the factory front exhaust pipe? WFX09-04-2009, 09:47 PMI use a custom 2-1 piece that I made up... the factory ones would be too small I think you'd find. MANDALAY09-04-2009, 09:48 PMEasy any quality exhaust shop could do it BonzaiCelica12-25-2009, 11:19 PMHey Pheonix, I have a question about the header you made for the Redtop. When you had them custom made, how does the shop go about making them. Do they need to look at the degree of the exhaust cams or they mold it however you tell them too? BonzaiCelica12-31-2009, 04:32 PMwhats the piping size for the pheonix header pasqual12-31-2009, 07:48 PMI did custom Ypipe ( calculated for my 3s-ge rev3 project ,proper flow and cam timing should be good for beams too)

2x50mm OD to 60mmOD

will be for sale version for celica and mr2 Lion_HUN01-02-2010, 04:56 AMI did custom Ypipe ( calculated for my 3s-ge rev3 project ,proper flow and cam timing should be good for beams too)

2x50mm OD to 60mmOD

will be for sale version for celica and mr2

How long this pipe will be? Will it include the part with the O2 sensor?

Edit:
This is the only part on my exhaust that's very ugly (from the ending of Y-pipe to the cat) and I'm searching for some solution, but I couldn't find anyone who can make it properly here. pasqual01-02-2010, 05:47 AMHow long this pipe will be? Will it include the part with the O2 sensor?

Edit:
This is the only part on my exhaust that's very ugly (from the ending of Y-pipe to the cat) and I'm searching for some solution, but I couldn't find anyone who can make it properly here.

yes with O2 sensor socket (or two sockets if needed )

will put pictures soon .... (send me by email your y-pipe picture , where is the problem) Lion_HUN01-03-2010, 06:49 AMyes with O2 sensor socket (or two sockets if needed )

will put pictures soon .... (send me by email your y-pipe picture , where is the problem)

Okay, I'll send pictures as soon as I get under the car. mr2mkii02-19-2010, 06:54 PMI know what few companies produced them - and i do know what one SSIII Owner in Cyprus got a header from Japan from company i think called Pheonix Power or somthing like this... I know what few of you RedTop owner are located in Japan or somthere near Japan (or maybe you have access to the parts) and if some one would be wiling to help me - i would really really apreciate what.

Cuz shipping to EU from Japan would kill not only mentioning Customs fee's + VAT...

Or atleast some one could point me to the right direction where to look for a header - it would be a huge help.

Thanks guys.

If you're still looking I will have an OEM exhaust manifold with custom port/polish job professionnaly made

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Price is 250$ + shipping P@shencia02-20-2010, 09:52 AMhttp://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1http://54/518/54518119_vipusk.jpg weapon503-29-2010, 10:55 AM3sgte exhaust manifold will not fit beams no matter what year they are! beams is different than any 3sge and 5sfe so to get a header that will fit is a custom job or search really hard online. DO NOT buy any ebay or site that says they sell 3sge headers unless it states 3sge BEAMS. :D NCMR205-31-2010, 03:56 PM*cough* anyone have a red top header or b pipe for sale? Lion_HUN06-04-2010, 01:41 AMI'll have an MR2 B-pipe for sale in a week. Only flaw it has that it's been cutted after the Y part and needs to be rewelded. Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2026 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.